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		<title>By: Mike D&#39;Avria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike D&#39;Avria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two statements in this chapter really spoke to me about creativity.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;People want to be told what to do because they are afraid (petrified) of figuring it out for themselves.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;and&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;It&#039;s easy to buy a cookbook (filled with instructions to follow) but really hard to find a chef book.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nothing to add to the conversation, just wanted to point out some great quotes I will be using for the rest of my life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two statements in this chapter really spoke to me about creativity.</p>
<p>&#8220;People want to be told what to do because they are afraid (petrified) of figuring it out for themselves.&#8221;</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#39;s easy to buy a cookbook (filled with instructions to follow) but really hard to find a chef book.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nothing to add to the conversation, just wanted to point out some great quotes I will be using for the rest of my life.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Richards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 01:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a thought.  Is there any chance that Seth Godin is writing like a fortune teller that wants us to like it and believe that we are who he is talking about.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You know - like a fortune teller who speaks in generalities so that you can believe what they are saying is about you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a thought.  Is there any chance that Seth Godin is writing like a fortune teller that wants us to like it and believe that we are who he is talking about.</p>
<p>You know &#8211; like a fortune teller who speaks in generalities so that you can believe what they are saying is about you?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Richards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 01:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came from a rec program.  The reason that I am a camp professional and not a teacher is for the exact reason that I believe that the classroom environment would stifle my ability to be creative.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For years I have tried to grow the creativity of my camp staff.  In leadership we talk about some staff having the &quot;It&quot; factor.  Over years of thinking, reading and studying about leadership I have come to believe that the &quot;It&quot; factor has more to do with creativity than anything else.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;School (college/university/high school) should be about learning how to learn.  This is a concept covered in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.  We are training our children for jobs that don&#039;t exist today, but if we teach them how to learn they can continue to learn and become lifelong learners.  That is the goal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came from a rec program.  The reason that I am a camp professional and not a teacher is for the exact reason that I believe that the classroom environment would stifle my ability to be creative.  </p>
<p>For years I have tried to grow the creativity of my camp staff.  In leadership we talk about some staff having the &#8220;It&#8221; factor.  Over years of thinking, reading and studying about leadership I have come to believe that the &#8220;It&#8221; factor has more to do with creativity than anything else.</p>
<p>School (college/university/high school) should be about learning how to learn.  This is a concept covered in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.  We are training our children for jobs that don&#39;t exist today, but if we teach them how to learn they can continue to learn and become lifelong learners.  That is the goal.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Oakleaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Oakleaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For my dissertation research, I am speaking with summer camp staff about their experiences.  The staff members I&#039;ve spoken with so far say that, when it is working well, they are able to be their most creative selves. The staff who had the best experiences seem to be the ones who could take a piece of something and make it their own. They&#039;re also the ones who have been explicitly told by their supervisors and directors exactly what it is they&#039;re doing well.  Honest praise really seems to go a long way. I&#039;ve had several staff members repeat back to me verbatim the things that their directors said to them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The staff who seemed to have the hardest time talked about directors who were bureaucratic (sometimes autocratic) in their decision-making. They complained about favoritism and about not being trusted by their camp directors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For my dissertation research, I am speaking with summer camp staff about their experiences.  The staff members I&#39;ve spoken with so far say that, when it is working well, they are able to be their most creative selves. The staff who had the best experiences seem to be the ones who could take a piece of something and make it their own. They&#39;re also the ones who have been explicitly told by their supervisors and directors exactly what it is they&#39;re doing well.  Honest praise really seems to go a long way. I&#39;ve had several staff members repeat back to me verbatim the things that their directors said to them.</p>
<p>The staff who seemed to have the hardest time talked about directors who were bureaucratic (sometimes autocratic) in their decision-making. They complained about favoritism and about not being trusted by their camp directors.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Issadore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Issadore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There are no longer any great jobs where someone else tells you precisely what to do&quot;. -page 14&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This quote hits it home for me. If presumably Godin is arguing that the system has trained people to follow the rules, to fit in, to succeed by being obedient, then there has been some shortcoming in the education system.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That brings up the point of summer camp being an invaluable experience for children as campers, and also for young adults as staff members. To me, Camp provides people with the freedom to figure out problems, situations, and relationships on their own. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The jobs that we all have done and continue to do working at Camp have the qualities of creating art. To name a few:&lt;br&gt;-creating emotional connection with people&lt;br&gt;-improvising &lt;br&gt;-taking initiative&lt;br&gt;-being a leader&lt;br&gt;-taking risk &lt;br&gt;-learning from experience, and applying what you learned to the next creation&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am grateful for my experiences in Camp as they have no doubt helped to shape the artist that I am today. I do believe we can teach people to be indispensable and remarkable, and we can do this by guiding them, trusting them, and encouraging them to take initiative, and &quot;do the work&quot; on their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There are no longer any great jobs where someone else tells you precisely what to do&#8221;. -page 14</p>
<p>This quote hits it home for me. If presumably Godin is arguing that the system has trained people to follow the rules, to fit in, to succeed by being obedient, then there has been some shortcoming in the education system.</p>
<p>That brings up the point of summer camp being an invaluable experience for children as campers, and also for young adults as staff members. To me, Camp provides people with the freedom to figure out problems, situations, and relationships on their own. </p>
<p>The jobs that we all have done and continue to do working at Camp have the qualities of creating art. To name a few:<br />-creating emotional connection with people<br />-improvising <br />-taking initiative<br />-being a leader<br />-taking risk <br />-learning from experience, and applying what you learned to the next creation</p>
<p>I am grateful for my experiences in Camp as they have no doubt helped to shape the artist that I am today. I do believe we can teach people to be indispensable and remarkable, and we can do this by guiding them, trusting them, and encouraging them to take initiative, and &#8220;do the work&#8221; on their own.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Issadore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Issadore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 17:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great points Joe. I agree with your idea &quot; Now as Camp Director, I am more interested in the final result than the process&quot;. This attitude lends itself to being open to the idea that there are several ways to reach a goal. It is a gift that you are giving to your staff to allow them the freedom to be able to develop the confidence of doing it on their own. Sounds to me like a breeding ground for future Linchpins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points Joe. I agree with your idea &#8221; Now as Camp Director, I am more interested in the final result than the process&#8221;. This attitude lends itself to being open to the idea that there are several ways to reach a goal. It is a gift that you are giving to your staff to allow them the freedom to be able to develop the confidence of doing it on their own. Sounds to me like a breeding ground for future Linchpins.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Issadore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Issadore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 17:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, &lt;br&gt;The story of your Yoga instructor resonates for me. It reminds me of my public school education. I remember being a young student and only responding to the teachers that I sensed were passionate, and unfearful about teaching the students, even if this meant not following the curriculum or embelishing upon the normal script. I would just shut down when I was in the class of a teacher who was jaded, resentful, or just a cog waiting to collect their pension.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, <br />The story of your Yoga instructor resonates for me. It reminds me of my public school education. I remember being a young student and only responding to the teachers that I sensed were passionate, and unfearful about teaching the students, even if this meant not following the curriculum or embelishing upon the normal script. I would just shut down when I was in the class of a teacher who was jaded, resentful, or just a cog waiting to collect their pension.</p>
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		<title>By: jennselke</title>
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		<dc:creator>jennselke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 02:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It can definitely be hard to be in a supporting role to the school system when you feel like the best skill you can teach at that moment is learning to comply with the system just to graduate.  I do think there is value in teaching kids how to master homework and learning in a more creative way.  Learning your own individual learning style and strengths can be HUGE.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Piggybacking on the work of Gallup and Marcus Buckingham, Jennifer Fox is teaching kids about their strengths &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.strengthsmovement.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.strengthsmovement.com&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t necessarily think we teach creativity as much as we help bring out the areas of someone strengths. We can&#039;t put in what is not there.  As Scott Porad taught me, &quot;You can&#039;t teach tall.&quot;  We foster the identification and naming of it more than we teach it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It can definitely be hard to be in a supporting role to the school system when you feel like the best skill you can teach at that moment is learning to comply with the system just to graduate.  I do think there is value in teaching kids how to master homework and learning in a more creative way.  Learning your own individual learning style and strengths can be HUGE.  </p>
<p>Piggybacking on the work of Gallup and Marcus Buckingham, Jennifer Fox is teaching kids about their strengths <a href="http://www.strengthsmovement.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.strengthsmovement.com</a>.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t necessarily think we teach creativity as much as we help bring out the areas of someone strengths. We can&#39;t put in what is not there.  As Scott Porad taught me, &#8220;You can&#39;t teach tall.&#8221;  We foster the identification and naming of it more than we teach it.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Oakleaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Oakleaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Godin makes no bones about the education system being partly to blame for turning students into cogs.  Since I teach in a Parks and Rec program, this caught my attention. I like to think that I&#039;m not doing that, but I suppose it&#039;s possible.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s certainly true that classes go more smoothly when your students are able and willing to sit quietly. I want them to turn in their homework on time. I expect that homework to adhere to the requirements I set out for them. Do I produce cogs that way? Maybe.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Do any of you folks have camp staff from rec programs? Are you finding that they bring useful skills that help them be more creative staff members? Or is there any difference?  The kind of creativity that Godin is urging, can it be taught? Can it only be stifled in the classroom, or can it be fostered?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Godin makes no bones about the education system being partly to blame for turning students into cogs.  Since I teach in a Parks and Rec program, this caught my attention. I like to think that I&#39;m not doing that, but I suppose it&#39;s possible.  </p>
<p>It&#39;s certainly true that classes go more smoothly when your students are able and willing to sit quietly. I want them to turn in their homework on time. I expect that homework to adhere to the requirements I set out for them. Do I produce cogs that way? Maybe.</p>
<p>Do any of you folks have camp staff from rec programs? Are you finding that they bring useful skills that help them be more creative staff members? Or is there any difference?  The kind of creativity that Godin is urging, can it be taught? Can it only be stifled in the classroom, or can it be fostered?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Weir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Weir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 03:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, you wrote &quot; unless you have an amazing nature person then you don&#039;t have any space for new campers because the session is always full - it depends on the person.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I instantly thought of our yoga program.  In 2004 we started a yoga program and we had an insanely caring yoga instructor that people loved to be around.  She was literally booked almost anytime of the day.  In 2005, we had a yoga instructor that became bitter and resentful at camp.  Yoga was barely used that summer.  In hiring yoga instructors from 2006 on, we recognized how we need to make the effort to hire a high quality applicant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, you wrote &#8221; unless you have an amazing nature person then you don&#39;t have any space for new campers because the session is always full &#8211; it depends on the person.&#8221;</p>
<p>I instantly thought of our yoga program.  In 2004 we started a yoga program and we had an insanely caring yoga instructor that people loved to be around.  She was literally booked almost anytime of the day.  In 2005, we had a yoga instructor that became bitter and resentful at camp.  Yoga was barely used that summer.  In hiring yoga instructors from 2006 on, we recognized how we need to make the effort to hire a high quality applicant.</p>
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